Calling Electrical/Electronic Experts

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#7 14
@AlessandroSPQR I wish it was me taking the notes!

To be honest I've dug myself into a bit of a hole with this one! The Swordsman was I think the second model I started to build some years ago and whilst I'd learned quite a lot by then, not enough or more accurately flawed thinking to some extent.

I say this because I chose not to water-cool (this wasn't the flawed part) and to be on the safe side over-engineer the components which you can do without too much of a cost penalty with a model which you would want to avoid with full-size.

This has worked well with my smaller models upto 31 inches in length where I have chosen a maximum brushless motor diameter of 36mm. The Swordsman is only 2 inches longer but has a bigger beam and is considerably heavier and so I decided to go with a 42mm diameter for more torque. The problem with this is that as you go bigger the choice of kV becomes less and the kV lower with the result that the motor only has 800kV and hence why I've had to go with 4S to get good performance.

My flawed thinking is because I underestimated the power of brushed motors which was reinforced later by getting to know Bob/Zooma and Harry/Canabus who run longer models on no more than 36mm diameter. Bob does water-cool but Harry doesn't. Though Harry does run above 3S on occasions.

But by then I'd already got and fitted the motor and recently bought the 4S battery. They were both relatively expensive and if not used in this model wouldn't be used in another (well maybe the battery could be but not the motor) so I was committed really.

Anyway I've dug myself out of the hole by finding a 120amp HobbyWing Quicrun ESC that does take 4S and has the cooling fins and fan which I will leave in place.

My 120amp water-cooled Seaking ESC won't be wasted as I can use that in my water-jet project which has a water-cooled inrunner brushless motor and I have a 60amp version I can use in another build.

All of this is part of the fun and learning for me!

Chris
Scratch building 7 Faireys at a scale of 1:12 and also have 2 built by Dave Milbourn
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#6 16
@ChrisF
Hi Chris, I’ll humbly admit that, rather than trying to answer your question, I’m actually taking notes on your setup and your observations—hahahahaha!
#5 37
As a comparison, I have run a 49in Perkasa on a MFA 850 brushed motor with a Mtronik 50 ESC and a Lipo 3s (11 volts). It went like a demon!
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#4 39
Hi David, thanks for the thoughts and observations. Mentioning the cooling, or lack thereof, limiting the performance made me think that the max.capacity of 4S also means that the ESC is operating near it's upper limit.

Actually the ESC I bought for this build, same but 120amp takes 2 to 6S so it might be better as has more leeway.

Most of my ESCs are finned with fans at 60amp and above (but fans removed) being the HobbyWing Quicrun range though I have a couple of other makes in boats I've bought which are shrink wrapped and no cooling but only 30amp.

The 120amp Quicrun only takes 3S so no good.

So, I'll revert to using the 120amp Seaking and see how warm it gets in testing.
Scratch building 7 Faireys at a scale of 1:12 and also have 2 built by Dave Milbourn
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#2 55
Hi Chris, lovely motor as they say..! Like you I prefer the Overlander brand of outrunners, they're very well engineered. I've not used that ESC, I think you said that you don't do water cooling, but that ESC is intended to be water cooled and so I'm not sure how it will behave without. I'd have thought it would rein in the current handling limits. It doesn't really have fins for passive cooling, or a fan, maybe others who know the ESC could comment. Other point about the ESC is it doesn't handle more than 4S, and while it shouldn't be an issue, it leaves just changing the prop if you want to tweak handling and performance. Not really an issue, more of an observation.

Hope to see it on the water..!
David.
Best regards
David.
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#1 61

Calling Electrical/Electronic Experts

I've just started the RC installation in my Fairey Swordsman 33 and am seeking some advice/thoughts.

This model is using my biggest brushless motor as follows:

Overlander Tornado Thumper V3 4250/06 800KV - Brushless Outrunner RC Motor
• 980 watt motor
• 3-7 LiPo cells
• Shaft Diameter 5mm
• Motor weight 210gm (excluding accessory kit)
• 4mm gold connectors
• Speed Controller Recommended 60A ESC

which having a fairly low kV I'm going to run on 4S to give sufficient planing performance, and which I assume will produce 560w max as 980w is produced from 7s?

I don't water-cool and so always use a "bigger" ESC from the one recommended, so using a 90amp as follows:

The Hobbywing Seaking 90A V4 Speed Control (HW30302362) is a waterproof, brushless, sensorless marine ESC designed for reliable performance on the water. With 90A continuous and 360A peak current handling, 2–4S LiPo support, and a powerful 8A BEC with selectable 6V, 7.4V, or 8.4V output, it provides robust power delivery for a wide range of RC boat setups.
Key Specifications
• Application: Brushless, sensorless; waterproof design
• Continuous/Peak Current: 90A / 360A
• Input Voltage: 2–4S LiPo
• BEC Output: 6V / 7.4V / 8.4V selectable, up to 8A
• Size: 60 x 36.3 x 22.5 mm
• Weight: 115.6 g (including wire and output plug)
Programming & Telemetry
• Supported Tools: LED Program Box, LCD G2 Program Box, LCD PRO, and OTA Programmer
• Data Recording: Extreme value, real-time data, and historical graph supported
• Firmware upgrade supported
• Program Port: Throttle signal wire
Wiring & Connectors
• Input Wires: Red 12AWG 150 mm, Black 12AWG 150 mm
• Output Wires: 3 x Black 12AWG 100 mm
• Input Connectors: None
• Output Connectors: 4.0 mm gold female plug

Battery is an Overlander as follows:

SKU 2971
Barcode 5060470210168
Chemistry Lithium Polymer (LiPo)
Capacity 3700mAh
Voltage 14.8V
Cell Count 4S
Constant Discharge 25C
Burst Discharge 45C
Maximum Constant Current 92.5A
Maximum Burst Current 166.5A
Watt Hours 54.76Wh
Wire Gauge 12AWG (4mm)
Connector Options Deans, EC3 and XT60
Balance Connector Type JST-XH
Brand Overlander Batteries
Range Sport
Dimensions 136 x 43 x 24 (mm)
Weight 308 (g)

Amongst the options for the connector was the XT60 (which I use on a number of my other models) which I chose for fitment.

I was thinking that for the setup in this model I was going to use an XT90 connector but Overlander must feel that the XT60 is fine for this battery with it's fairly low discharge rate? My intended use is going to be pootling around with the odd faster lap as it's quite a small lake - no continuous fast runs. I will change the connector if necessary but don't like to change a "factory" fitted, well soldered on connector unless I have to. They do higher discharge 4S where they do offer the XT90 as an option.

I'm assuming in this scenario that it's the battery max draw is the deciding factor rather than the capacity of the motor and ESC, would that be correct?

What do the members think?

Chris
Scratch building 7 Faireys at a scale of 1:12 and also have 2 built by Dave Milbourn
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